jupiterboy
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I have an unusual challenge in that I am working with an arts institution and using their photography of art works in a typical Gracol workflow. The photographer comes from a background that does not include any concept of offset lithography. I am attempting to help with some very basic ideas, like white point adjustment. I have been successful in getting the images delivered with a Macbeth color checker in the shot. The first issue I note is that often, the white point square on the checker will arrive with 70–90% ink coverage. Because it is a fine arts workflow situation, no one ever touches or changes anything in the files. This means we get our first set of proofs back looking very dark, generally—too dark to even see color casts and other typical issues you might address in proofs. This becomes expensive, time consuming, and slow to correct by writing various corrective moves longhand on proofs. Obviously, it would be much better to have the original image,adjusted with the artwork in sight, delivered in a way that was more suitable to print.
All of this generally falls under the “my proofs are too dark” sort of discussion that is very common. My emerging issue is that the current publication features very dark, black-on-black paintings where we need to get the maximum distinction between subtle shades of black, which to my thinking is one of the most difficult print scenarios imaginable.
The photographer is very wed to the idea that (and his screen is calibrated and he does use wide-gamut monitors) his visual corrections on screen should be all that is required, and that someone else should fix the files. However, the primary moves need to be made while looking at the works, and the goal is to slowly move the workflow in a better direction.
I have found some workable color checker RGB values and reviewed basic ink density information with the photographer—setting white point and black point—and we are making some headway. Now after this long ramble, I am looking at some of his new images and noting how different the soft proofing looks between those adjusted by the numbers and those adjusted originally by eye by the photographer and then by numbers in a curves layer. While the RGB values for the checker are very similar, the mid tones in soft proof appear very different. The histogram is also slightly shifted and the process conversion numbers are different, even with similar RGB white and dark points.
My speculation is that the photographer has gone back to the original RAW files and has handled the exposure differently, which is resulting in less tonal compression and a shifted histogram, even while forcing the same white point and shadow.
Here are two histograms for the same image. Unfortunately, I can't show the actual images for legal reasons.
I have suggested that the photographer start using a light meter to check his strobes during capture. I would also like to find a way for him to use his very nice Epson printer and soft proofing to be able to anticipate and test his own correction. Right now, there is no way to calibrate the printer output and there is also no RIP so using the Epson for proofing seems very tricky—PDF X-4 being, to my thinking, maybe the best way to force the printer to use the Gracol gamut.
I sense the photographer's frustration, and am looking for suggestions about methods and ways to help him out, and in particular, ways to deal with very dark images and ways to help him accomplish more repeatable results in RAW.
All suggestions welcome.
All of this generally falls under the “my proofs are too dark” sort of discussion that is very common. My emerging issue is that the current publication features very dark, black-on-black paintings where we need to get the maximum distinction between subtle shades of black, which to my thinking is one of the most difficult print scenarios imaginable.
The photographer is very wed to the idea that (and his screen is calibrated and he does use wide-gamut monitors) his visual corrections on screen should be all that is required, and that someone else should fix the files. However, the primary moves need to be made while looking at the works, and the goal is to slowly move the workflow in a better direction.
I have found some workable color checker RGB values and reviewed basic ink density information with the photographer—setting white point and black point—and we are making some headway. Now after this long ramble, I am looking at some of his new images and noting how different the soft proofing looks between those adjusted by the numbers and those adjusted originally by eye by the photographer and then by numbers in a curves layer. While the RGB values for the checker are very similar, the mid tones in soft proof appear very different. The histogram is also slightly shifted and the process conversion numbers are different, even with similar RGB white and dark points.
My speculation is that the photographer has gone back to the original RAW files and has handled the exposure differently, which is resulting in less tonal compression and a shifted histogram, even while forcing the same white point and shadow.
Here are two histograms for the same image. Unfortunately, I can't show the actual images for legal reasons.
I have suggested that the photographer start using a light meter to check his strobes during capture. I would also like to find a way for him to use his very nice Epson printer and soft proofing to be able to anticipate and test his own correction. Right now, there is no way to calibrate the printer output and there is also no RIP so using the Epson for proofing seems very tricky—PDF X-4 being, to my thinking, maybe the best way to force the printer to use the Gracol gamut.
I sense the photographer's frustration, and am looking for suggestions about methods and ways to help him out, and in particular, ways to deal with very dark images and ways to help him accomplish more repeatable results in RAW.
All suggestions welcome.