3D Mapping Channel Interest?

[Stroker]

Mapping channels are cool. I've got some tutorial ideas running around in my head.

Unfortunately, I'm a Max user. That is, I don't know if other 3d programs use them or in what capacity.

Several questions:
Does your non-Max 3d program have mapping channels?
If so, what 3d prog is it?
Do mapping channels extent to uv mapping in your 3d prog?
Are you interested in some Stroker-style mapping channel stuff?

 

[theKeeper]

hmmm... i don't recall seeing that function in C4D. Could be wrong though. Stu or someone else might know better.

What is the function/purpose of this "mapping channels" Stroker?

 

[Stroker]

Hmm...
Blending between different textures...?

One of my favorite uses is to chop out parts that need more texture space with out having to size up the whole texture. Take lips for example. You can chop out the lips, give them more texture space via uv mapping, assign to a different channel, then blend seamlessly onto a face with an alpha.
So the whole head texture could be 500x500 and the lips could be 500x500 as well.

Yeah, blending between textures.

Another good example is having two views of a head: front and side. Lets say that you want to use the shots to texture the head. Well, instead of taking the shots into PS to make one texture, you can use mapping channels and an alpha. Fairly easy to do and seriously cuts down on the PS headaches.

 

[Stroker]

Grabbed an old model that I had given up dinking with. Gave it a real quick work over for our purposes here. Did the mapping channel thing real quick. Painted a transparency map, which was just some black + Gaussian Blur (not too hard), and then baked it out.

This is the raw output. The nose and under the chin need some attention. Few other little things.

Can you see how this is a handy technique?

Tomorrow I'll post a render and the easy-sleazy trans map.

 

[theKeeper]

Ooooh ok... ya i know what you mean now man. In C4D that's just done by assigning a specific "alpha" image to a texture.

And then in the Material Manager, you'd assign the textures to "Mix" with the other textures assinged to the same object.

 

[Stroker]

Some quick test renders:

Notice the funkiness around the nose. While the texture there does need some work, it is also partly due to vertex shading. Some vertex illumination in there would improve it.

Pretty close, Keeper, but it's a little more complicated than that. Let's take a peek, shall we?

Upper-Left: mapping channel 1
This is the mapping that I want to end up using.

Upper-Right: mapping channel 2
Planar mapping straight on for the front view photo. Notice that it's a bit cock-eyed. The chick in the photo was a bit rotated, so I had to do some compensating. This resulted in a slightly rotated uv mapping.

Lower-Left: mapping channel 3
Side view. Getting the idea here?

Lower-Right: transparency map
This is the transparency map applied to the side view photo. It hides the nose, mouth, and a little bit of the eyes. This is the only work that has been done in PS.

Notice that the transparency map is for the side view. Several reasons. The main reason being that painting a trans map for the front isn't my cup of tea. You can do it the other way around, but I just don't like it.

Since the side view has transparency, this means that some thought has to go into the final material. In the material, the front view is on the "bottom", then the side view is "layered on top" of it. Where the side view is transparent, the front view shows through.

Remember channel 1? Well, when I baked the material, this is the channel that I baked to. As a side note, I made sure that the textures have 100% self-illumination. Didn't see any real need to bake in any scene lighting for this.

Man, I love talking about these kinds of things!
Those stupid little things that few know about, yet can save some serious bacon. Know what I mean? I even went to Google to see what is out there regarding this and found next to nothing.

The final tutorial will be hosted at SomethingLeet. One of the guys over there approached me about writing some 3DS Max tutorials for them, and this is what I decided to babble out.

Hehehe.
I'm all giddy with excitement.
I love this stuff!

 

[theKeeper]

hehe It's nice to see someone so excited about something. Makes me wanna get up and dance! aaa... not really... i don't care much for dancing. :\

I'm not so sure it's all that different Stroker. Like is said... the same things you've described can be done simply by assigning/using multiple textures to your model, or any part thereof. Alpha settings allow for hard/soft edges/blends, inverse alphas, etc. And each separate texture applied can be mapped in its own specific way.

So i'm not sure i'm completely following you then, because it "seems" like we're talking about the same thing. Just that Max has a different way of doing it...? :B

 

[Rantin Al]

So you are a Cinema goer as well Mark. Have you used BP at all?

Materials with transparency, alpha and then you can bung a layer mask on top which can be inverted for good measure. [confused]

Stroker, keep them coming. I can follow most (some \:] ) of your dissertations. There is always some little nugget in amongst the enthusiasm which turns out to be useful. 8))

Am I right in thinking that Bake Texture refers to converting a procedural into an image/ bitmap texture?

Cheers, Al.
(Slippin' an' slidin' away on the Z-axis)

 

[Tron]

Very interesting concept here - it gave me an idea to try it with a Poser girl in Photoshop and just using layer masks. A lot of fun. 8)) }P

 

[Stroker]

Rick, I see three lesbians. I'm sure Freud would have something to say about that.

Am I right in thinking that Bake Texture refers to converting a procedural into an image/ bitmap texture?

That is correct, Rantin.

Mark, I think you have the idea, but I'm not sure if you are taking all the way, though. This is what I hate about not being face-to-face.

Maybe the first rough draft will help clear it up:

Mapping Channels

I need to give it a break as I've been working away like a mad little monkey on it all day long as the kids permit. Fresh eyes do the editing process good.

 

[theKeeper]

Excellent Stroker tyvm. Keep it comin' and we'll checkout this first draft.

Don't worry... we'll get it sorted sooner or later. Would be great if Stu stumbles in here sometime and helps sort this out.

 

[xtrude]

geez whiz, this is some facinating stuff going on in here, cool stuff you guys.

ah man, finally I thought, here's a serious 3D thread without Poser stuff, and along comes Rick [confused] [:I

Stroker, I get things up to where the grey transparency mask comes into play. Is this a blending layer ? Yea man, too bad this can't be a live session where we are sitting around digging it together.

And yea, where the heck is Stu?

 

[Tron]

Sorry Guys - I didn't understand this was to be a PURE 3D thread. Mark delete my post if it does'nt belong [confused] [confused] [confused] 8))

 

[xtrude]

haha, I was razzing ya Rick, relax, I meant no harm My humble apologies, it's all good, ok?

 

[Stroker]

Started editing.

Xtrude, I added a little bit more about the material. It's a composite material.

Mapping Channels 1

Just a little bit more to go.

 

[marshal]

I have a SAMSUNG LE40M87BDX and I want to map the HDMI inputs to the channel buttons on the remote. As in button 0 for HMDI 2 and button 9 to HDMI 1

So I would have it like this....

1. BBC 1
2. BBC 2
.
.
.
9. HDMI 1 (Xbox 360)
0. HDMI 2 (DVD Recorder/SKY)

Then I don't have to fanny about with remote for the TV I can just use the sky remote to select the channel I want.

Thanks

 

[inkmybus]

cool!!!!

 

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