comments and some help

[mikey]

i posted this in another area but i think it fits better here since it has to do with a website

this image is going to be the banner at the top (like the logo)

well basicly what i want you guys to help me with is give me your opinion what do you think of it? and do you think theres anything i can change to make it look better

thanks,
mike

 

[mikey]

no ones here i guess

CAN anyone comment [doh] lol ahh i posted two difrent places i got one reply come on people please..... lol

 

[tranquil222]

I think it looks great! Sorry I couldn't comment earlier...I like the way the eyes balance. I might try to work some more detail on the right eye. I don't know about the text though, I might try to rework the positioning. I love the typeface though.

 

[Josh]

CAN anyone comment [doh]

It's everybody's right NOT to commment, so don't try to force people.

The piece looks good. I don't see the need for two eyes though.
I disagree with tranquil222; I personally think that the LEFT eye needs more work. I would get rid of the left eye, switch the right eye to the left side, flip it and bring out the eye lashes a bit more.

 

[MsOz]

Re: no ones here i guess

CAN anyone comment [doh] lol ahh i posted two difrent places i got one reply come on people please..... lol

Haven't you ever heard the saying "if you can't say something nice..."? If you've hung around here enough, you know that even the "blanket praise" patrol will eventually look at it and tell you it's great, so when a length of time passes without ego stroking (as that is about all blanket praise is good for), instead of "begging" for comments, you should take the silence as a sufficient comment that the work is so uneventful that it generates no real comments of depth. But since you in effect "challenged" us for comments, here ya go.

Personally, the Typeface defeats the title. The eye has to work far too hard to discern "art" from eye. The clipart doesn't coordinate, in that the one on the left is far too abstract to represent an eye at first glance, and is overshadowed by the almost .jpeg photograph of the other eye by the word "art" which doesn't look like art, and the eye goes around again to try to make sense of it. The monochrome color doesn't help. It's a nice "gee, look what I made!" exercise, but that's about all. For Web design, I couldn't sell this banner, and as a site owner, I wouldn't buy it. But, OH, I'm being SO negative to tell you what a basic wash out this piece is, so rather than then have to read 4-6 people argue for the merits of this less than stellar production, it's far easier to just look at the banner, think "extremely boring" and move on to the next post.

Not every piece you will post on the Internet will be noteworthy, nor comment worthy. Learn from the silence as well as the noise.

 

[Josh]

And what are your suggestions Madster?

Show Mickey how he can improve, I mean that's what we're all here for or not... to help each other.

 

[MsOz]

mikey, I would hope you have enough Life experience to be able to correct things pointed out to you in a clear, concise manner without having to be spoon-fed and "shown" each step of the way...especially as you only asked for comments, not in-depth tutoring.

I charge $60 and hour for that [stuned] AND get it! .

Chalk this one up to experience, and go create something fresh!

 

[C9Mouse]

Hello mikey,

If this design will be for your own web site then you want it to be as original as possible. I am going to be honest with you, right now it looks plain - the font is unimaginative, and the eyes really look like something you could get off a clipart CD.

If you need inspiration try visiting some websites whose designs and graphics you like. You can also get great inspiration from books, magazines, even visiting the local musuem.

Sometimes we just need an energy boost, especially if we have hectic schedules or are working too much or both. Too much work (or even school) can really dull the creative senses.

If your focus is the "eye", and I would think it is, since that is the name you have chosen - Eye for Art - then I would work on making that eye unique and trying to blend it in with the name itself.

Just for the heck of it I typed "eye for art" into Google and then browsed through all the Images. You can click on the Images tab in Google and check out the graphics that come up with your search. This is also a great way to get ideas and to seek inspiration from other's work.

A really cool image I found is on this web page (please keep in mind this image is copyrighted):

http://www.tcnj.edu/~artmain/nonflash.html

I found this using the Google method I mentioned above. You should give this a try and see if it helps you.

 

[MindBender]

Haven't you ever heard the saying "if you can't say something nice..."?

mikey, I would hope you have enough Life experience to be able to correct things pointed out to you in a clear, concise manner without having to be spoon-fed...

I charge $60 and hour for that AND get it!

Apparently he's not the only one. Wow, we're all very impressed. You charge less than half what I do, maybe I should out-source. :\

Yes, the begging for comments can be annoying, but often posts slip off the radar because of the nature of the forums sessions to move anything outside of your current session to "old news". So if you look at the actual content of his post, it seems an appropriate time to bump it just in case it was missed.

I actually agree with your assessment of the material, but (as usual) I don't agree with your delivery. I don't think the "blanket praise patrol" method is the way to go, but acting the antithesis and tearing someone down without direction is just as bad. The very fact that he's posting something like this here would say to me that he doesn't have that much life experience, or technical experience, or artistic experience and is looking for help from those who do. I realize you were never new and inexperienced, but some of use were.

mikey - you need to be aware that sometimes humor or tone doesn't translate into typed word. I'm assuming from what you wrote that it was meant in a friendly manner, but you need to realize that it often doesn't come across.

As for your piece. I would take some of the advice here and try a fresh redesign. The problem I think you will run into is not the design, but the cliche nature of the phrase. You will have a very hard time making something as overused as "eye for art" stand out from the croud. You might consider a brainstorming session or two with some collegues to see if you can generate some other names. Just sit and write everything you can think of, then let the list sit for a couple days. After a couple days have gone by, re-read the list and see which ones still sound good. Then work up some concepts for that. Never settle for your first design. Build several designs (as BC told you do elsewhere) and go through the sitting and revisting process again. Show them to other people. If you still like the first one, then great, but at least you've explored your options. C9 makes one good point, whatever you do should try to be unique. I would follow his advice, but for different reasons. I would visit other people's sites that had similar content and themes so you know what not to do if you want to stand out from the croud.

$0.02... in fact... $0.03

 

[C9Mouse]

C9 makes one good point, whatever you do should try to be unique. I would follow his advice, but for different reasons. I would visit other people's sites that had similar content and themes so you know what not to do if you want to stand out from the croud.

If I may clarify .... what I meant was that he should check out other designs to jump-start his own creative juices. I never implied that he should copy other's work.

 

[MindBender]

If I may clarify .... what I meant was that he should check out other designs to jump-start his own creative juices. I never implied that he should copy other's work.

I understand that, wasn't trying to imply you were advocating copying. But when most people say to look at other people's work, they mean to get ideas for what to do. In this case, I'm suggesting that he look for ways to be different. Just adding my own "bent" to the mix, as it were.

 

[mikey]

MindBender

mikey - you need to be aware that sometimes humor or tone doesn't translate into typed word.

josh wrote:

t's everybody's right NOT to commment, so don't try to force people.

haha ok just so everyone knows i wasnt trying to say it like that. i posted the same thing only with difrent looks someware els in the fourm. it has been up for a while now and i have gotten no replys.
after noticing there was a webpage section i posted in here after two days or so i was getting kinda anoyed. and i know its everyones right to not post. didnt think my post came off that way [oops] BUT it did get me a few posts

madster wrote:

ALOT OF STUFF lol not gunna find comments

but to madster thanks for all the negative input THATS what i was looking for (not that i dont like hearing the good sides)good sides let me know what to keep

but like josh said

Show Mickey how he can improve, I mean that's what we're all here for or not... to help each other.

how about showing me how to inprove
besides erasing everything and starting over 8}

C9Mouse wrote:

the eyes really look like something you could get off a clipart CD

it was actally a picture taken of my friends eye (then i photoshoped it). thats the one to the right the one on the left was my eye and i reallllyyyy messed with that one lol. but it took me about 20 min to make that banner a basic idea of the color scheme and then get some comments from you guys because you have always been a big help to my art and inspiration for alot of stuff

but anyways thanks for taking the time to read this

sorry for any miss spells and for the long post hope you guys read it. sorry for my other post (NO ONE IS POSTING) thing

and thank you all for commenting on my post i really appreciate and injoyed the comments. got few laughs from madster (dont take that the wrong way) didnt think what i said before would be taken that extreme. AND i learned my lesson.... i hope


MIKE

P.S. i dont really take it as a complament when no one posts i take it as eather no one thinks its worth it or there just to lazy to reply (no ofence to anyone)

 

[Josh]

P.S. i dont really take it as a complament when no one posts i take it as eather no one thinks its worth it or there just to lazy to reply (no ofence to anyone)

I do think that this is a very rude comment.
You can NOT assume that people are lazy if they refuse to comment. That would also mean that we have a lot of lazy people on this board... I don't think so!

Mickey, you really need to learn to understand what the concept of free help is and that everyone decides on his own when he has the time or urge to reply.

 

[mikey]

no no no i dont mean lazy like that i just mean thay have better things to do as it gos with my post not being worth it

Example: thay see my post view it and thay have something to say but thay feel like thay could better use there time on something els

im not saying people on this fourm are lazy like you thought i ment

but i do the same thing i view something and its not that im lazy i dont post its just i think i could be doing something better then posting on every single one so i look for one worth it

thats all i mean

 

[C9Mouse]

Mike,

I hope you don't mind that I did this, but I thought maybe throwing up a graphic like the one I did below might give you some ideas what I was talking about in my other post above.

I know this is sort of corny, but this gives you an idea what I was saying .... take your name and the "eye" and try to make something original from the melding of the two.

P.S. - Mikey, your post was just fine. Don't worry about what just a couple people think. You wanted some feedback and when none came you felt bad about it. That happens to all of us. You don't need to explain yourself to no one about that - we are all human

 

[Josh]

Thanks for the clarification Mikey

 

[mikey]

thats awesome work M9Mouse

i like what you did with all of it and no i have no prob with any of that

but i gotta question something someone els posted
my fonts not original? at all lol i thought if i couldnt read it, it had to be at least a little original lol

 

[C9Mouse]

Fonts are a tough call, especially when you're using them for design work. That's the hardest part of my job - and the funnest, at least for me anyway - is trying to match up the right font with the design.

There are tons of fonts out there, but originality dictates at least attempting to change some aspect of the font I choose to make it different from anyone else.

One method I employ is taking a regular font and turning it into a Shape Layer and manipulating the shape into a whole new font style. You can see what I mean by looking at this post here:

http://www.photoshopgurus.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4026&start=0

 

[mikey]

cool

i like what you did with the font

im not really going into photo editing as a perfeshion just as a hoby and if someone needs something i can help out and what not

so i dont worry TO much about font being original
the stuff im making this banner for is for my personal site and the reason i like it is because its simple i dont really like crazy banners that are kinda confusing

talk to you all later

mike

 

[JointComms(JC)]

Learn from the silence as well as the noise.

Excellent quote