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Thanks guys. I'm going to print this one out as it is an important one for me. In finding the center of the circle -- is this a good way: square marquee around the circle touching all 4 sides of it - then with the pen tool draw an x thru it? I know about the guides but unless the circle is in the center of the document , I don't trust my eyeballing it with the guides. I guess this begs the question, is there an easy way of finding the center of a circle? [stuned]  ;\