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hi, thanks for your advice. i've got a copy of illustrator  on my laptop that i forgot i had and never used.

also SPWA thanks i will try that. it new to me using the pen tool and paths but as they say, everydays a learning day.

 i was trying to find a cdrom or downloads for commercial use where i could've dragged the borders/swirls etc into to my but never saw any.

thanks again