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PC vs MAC
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Be careful with this thread guys.
I know from my experience in newsgroups and forums that things can get heated up pretty quick when it comes to comparing operating systems, although I don't expect this to happen that easily on this board
My only advice is; keep it polite
I know from my experience in newsgroups and forums that things can get heated up pretty quick when it comes to comparing operating systems, although I don't expect this to happen that easily on this board
My only advice is; keep it polite
Shay,
Your opening up a whole can of worms here. Personally I use a mac because, although I learned photoshop on a pc, my schools graphic program was based on the mac OS. Personally i find it easier to use a mac and find that most Graphic design positions and printers around my area (northeast) look for people who use mac or mac formatted files. Although PC's used to be inferior for graphic work, the new p3-p4 systems are much better and handle graphics much better. Nowadays it's more preference but you will find that most graphic houses in NY and Boston rely on on MAC. This is just my experience.
I use a g4 400mhz 384mg ram at work on 9.2 & a 600mhz ibook 12.1 640mb ram and X.2 at home.
wouldn't trade them for the world
Steve
Your opening up a whole can of worms here. Personally I use a mac because, although I learned photoshop on a pc, my schools graphic program was based on the mac OS. Personally i find it easier to use a mac and find that most Graphic design positions and printers around my area (northeast) look for people who use mac or mac formatted files. Although PC's used to be inferior for graphic work, the new p3-p4 systems are much better and handle graphics much better. Nowadays it's more preference but you will find that most graphic houses in NY and Boston rely on on MAC. This is just my experience.
I use a g4 400mhz 384mg ram at work on 9.2 & a 600mhz ibook 12.1 640mb ram and X.2 at home.
wouldn't trade them for the world
Steve
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I've reopened this thread... play nice.
Guys i've seen the replies here, and don't think there's any kind of 'flaming' going on. And i don't think there will be, because the members here are better behaved than that i believe.
So i've re-opened this thread so that the users here can voice for Samifox what they deem to be legitimate differences between PCs & Macs, as it relates to doing graphics.
Here's what i think...
Anyone with any experience in the graphics field nowadays will tell you, that yes, a lot of print & graphics houses still tend toward using a Mac for their work. But also that nowadays, with the evolution of ALL computers, graphics can very easily be done just as well an ANY type of system. Nowadays, it's the software that's making the difference, not the OS you choose.
So as was mentioned by 'quickly', it now just a matter of familiarity and preference. A lot of schools use Macs, and people just get used to using them. And that's fine. Whatever works, works right?
Ok so there's my 2 cents on this subject.
Remember, keep this topic within the GRAPHICS realm, and do not steer it toward technology related issues. That's not what Samifox is asking about.
Guys i've seen the replies here, and don't think there's any kind of 'flaming' going on. And i don't think there will be, because the members here are better behaved than that i believe.
So i've re-opened this thread so that the users here can voice for Samifox what they deem to be legitimate differences between PCs & Macs, as it relates to doing graphics.
Here's what i think...
Anyone with any experience in the graphics field nowadays will tell you, that yes, a lot of print & graphics houses still tend toward using a Mac for their work. But also that nowadays, with the evolution of ALL computers, graphics can very easily be done just as well an ANY type of system. Nowadays, it's the software that's making the difference, not the OS you choose.
So as was mentioned by 'quickly', it now just a matter of familiarity and preference. A lot of schools use Macs, and people just get used to using them. And that's fine. Whatever works, works right?
Ok so there's my 2 cents on this subject.
Remember, keep this topic within the GRAPHICS realm, and do not steer it toward technology related issues. That's not what Samifox is asking about.
macs have two big advantages when graphics are concerned: first of all they have a far better font management system (try out ATM on pc when you doubt my words), and secondly they have the ability to give folders different colours. This is a very handy feature as it gives people like me the opportunity to immediately see what's done, and where I still have to work on etc etc.
As for the apps themselves: I've never seen any app that exists for both systems and that had a really different feel.
I can't say anything about OSX, except that, just like WinXP it had problems with apps and with drivers. But when you're used to a pc and Windows, you can learn OS9 in four hours at the most (it *is* easy) and you're working in PS, Freehand, etc. the same day you first saw your mac.
The only advantage of PC is that there are lots of interesting graphical (3D included) apps that don't exist for the mac.
Apart from this: I do not see any use for this kind of question. Everyone with a minimal experience on the Internet (and if you join a forum you have more that this) knows that this versus that leads to, as Master Yoda put it so eloquently: "begun the Flame Wars have". We here are too cautious to step into this ratllesnake nest, but, be honest: what's the point?
Riding a European car or a Japanese one, being a man or a woman, a veggie or not, etc etc: the most beautiful gardens are those with lots of different flowers in them.
As for the apps themselves: I've never seen any app that exists for both systems and that had a really different feel.
I can't say anything about OSX, except that, just like WinXP it had problems with apps and with drivers. But when you're used to a pc and Windows, you can learn OS9 in four hours at the most (it *is* easy) and you're working in PS, Freehand, etc. the same day you first saw your mac.
The only advantage of PC is that there are lots of interesting graphical (3D included) apps that don't exist for the mac.
Apart from this: I do not see any use for this kind of question. Everyone with a minimal experience on the Internet (and if you join a forum you have more that this) knows that this versus that leads to, as Master Yoda put it so eloquently: "begun the Flame Wars have". We here are too cautious to step into this ratllesnake nest, but, be honest: what's the point?
Riding a European car or a Japanese one, being a man or a woman, a veggie or not, etc etc: the most beautiful gardens are those with lots of different flowers in them.
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A long one...
The coloring folder ability is really good, Erik!
The printing industry is still using Macs for numerous reasons:
In fact Printing houses had MACs because Quark Xpress , and Photoshop didn't exist at all on PC!!!!... (it was the time of Win 3.1, and MACs had a real operating system with Color Management, Font support was superior ...)
Then the PC versions came... but it was cheaper for them to buy an upgrade on mac instead of a new license for PC (along with a new system, and peripherics compatible with it!!!) It was the era of Win 95, and his numerous bugs, compared to NT... hopefully there is Win2K and XP, more solid (and with Type one fonts support)
The print industry is also really slow to upgrade, some still use quark 3.31! they didn't upgrade their machines (the size of the docs didn't change, that much) so fast as photographers, for instance, who have bigger and bigger files, because they scan pictures at higher DPI or have a new multi million pixels cameras.
Look at the introduction of In- design , that seems more powerful than Quark! Also, I 'm wondering, when Quark will be finally ported to X when the print industry will switch to MAC os X
They would need to wait for drivers for their scanners, printers and other devices... I believe that they are always suspicious of most new technologies.On Print houses time is ALWAYS too short, they can't afford learning very different programs, operating systems...
The PC crowd was also providing them documents coming from Micro$oft office, without the fonts, or sometimes they used Freeware/pirated TTf fonts that caused peroblems at ripping/flashing, or Corel Documents that were not exactly Poscript compliant. So the Print industry was praising Type 1 fonts, that were at the beginning MAC specific... (the funniest is that the new Opentype standard is more based on truetype thean T1, but that's another story) along with the then Mac only programs.
Also, switching to PC is not easy, there are differences (the left mouse button, the crashs... crashs exists on both platforms, but the PC ones are different, due to the numerous hardware available for PC) so they don't want to switch to PC, and will say that PC = bad.
They knew mac problems, and where reluctant to learn the PC ones... thus they encourage the use of macs...
So the Truth that MAC are way better than pc is dead*... but it remains as a urban legend...
*the hardware was superior (SCSI drives, RISC processor...)now they use IDE, the PC processors are very powerful too, but the Apples still costs more...
The printing house in which I was learning (during school, as a trainee) was using PC... but the photocomposition /flashing house they are using is mixed... so the situation is changing, but slowly... slooooowwwwllllllyyyyy...
The coloring folder ability is really good, Erik!
The printing industry is still using Macs for numerous reasons:
In fact Printing houses had MACs because Quark Xpress , and Photoshop didn't exist at all on PC!!!!... (it was the time of Win 3.1, and MACs had a real operating system with Color Management, Font support was superior ...)
Then the PC versions came... but it was cheaper for them to buy an upgrade on mac instead of a new license for PC (along with a new system, and peripherics compatible with it!!!) It was the era of Win 95, and his numerous bugs, compared to NT... hopefully there is Win2K and XP, more solid (and with Type one fonts support)
The print industry is also really slow to upgrade, some still use quark 3.31! they didn't upgrade their machines (the size of the docs didn't change, that much) so fast as photographers, for instance, who have bigger and bigger files, because they scan pictures at higher DPI or have a new multi million pixels cameras.
Look at the introduction of In- design , that seems more powerful than Quark! Also, I 'm wondering, when Quark will be finally ported to X when the print industry will switch to MAC os X
They would need to wait for drivers for their scanners, printers and other devices... I believe that they are always suspicious of most new technologies.On Print houses time is ALWAYS too short, they can't afford learning very different programs, operating systems...
The PC crowd was also providing them documents coming from Micro$oft office, without the fonts, or sometimes they used Freeware/pirated TTf fonts that caused peroblems at ripping/flashing, or Corel Documents that were not exactly Poscript compliant. So the Print industry was praising Type 1 fonts, that were at the beginning MAC specific... (the funniest is that the new Opentype standard is more based on truetype thean T1, but that's another story) along with the then Mac only programs.
Also, switching to PC is not easy, there are differences (the left mouse button, the crashs... crashs exists on both platforms, but the PC ones are different, due to the numerous hardware available for PC) so they don't want to switch to PC, and will say that PC = bad.
They knew mac problems, and where reluctant to learn the PC ones... thus they encourage the use of macs...
So the Truth that MAC are way better than pc is dead*... but it remains as a urban legend...
*the hardware was superior (SCSI drives, RISC processor...)now they use IDE, the PC processors are very powerful too, but the Apples still costs more...
The printing house in which I was learning (during school, as a trainee) was using PC... but the photocomposition /flashing house they are using is mixed... so the situation is changing, but slowly... slooooowwwwllllllyyyyy...
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you know, mark, it is only my Point of View... and at least what I observed....
But I can congratulate you that the mumbers are educated enough to not turn this question in a flamewar... (anyways, everyones knows that Amiga are way better than Atari (that is unless you do midi) 8[ )
But I can congratulate you that the mumbers are educated enough to not turn this question in a flamewar... (anyways, everyones knows that Amiga are way better than Atari (that is unless you do midi) 8[ )
ok, legit Mac question here... should be a simple one...
if I am using IE on the mac, how do I replicate the rifgt click and delete my history while leaving the rest of history intact?
This one button mouse thing I find frustrating at the least... [confused]
if I am using IE on the mac, how do I replicate the rifgt click and delete my history while leaving the rest of history intact?
This one button mouse thing I find frustrating at the least... [confused]
Yup Alistair. And the stone age came before our space age, but what does that prove? We now have more tools than the ones the cavemen used to paint their animals in their caves, but can we draw any better? One big NO!
Once again: it is not the puter that makes the art or creates the novel or takes the pic: it's the human that uses the tool. It makes no difference whether you have a Nikon camera or a Canon or a Leica: it's you who's got to *see*. All this speed and stability stuff is sheer publicity and for all but some hardcore pro's sheer overkill.
Be happy with what you have and try to get the most out of it, then you learn. Don't forget that most of the real explorers laugh when yet another greenhorn with his shiny boots and expensive tools wants to join the party.
Once again: it is not the puter that makes the art or creates the novel or takes the pic: it's the human that uses the tool. It makes no difference whether you have a Nikon camera or a Canon or a Leica: it's you who's got to *see*. All this speed and stability stuff is sheer publicity and for all but some hardcore pro's sheer overkill.
Be happy with what you have and try to get the most out of it, then you learn. Don't forget that most of the real explorers laugh when yet another greenhorn with his shiny boots and expensive tools wants to join the party.
Deep waters.....
I have a Mac (vintage 1997) and use it for all my graphic work. It's a bit slow compared with more recent machines, but - until I find some more pennies - it'll do!
I use Windows at work and they do the work they're given.
An awful lot has been posted in various Mac forums on this topic and many a war of words has broken out; you pays your money, you take your choice. I find the Mac easier to use and much much easier to fix.
I think, though, that the specifications of the new G5 will make a few people look again at the Mac world, especially those using graphic applications. If the boss offers me a leaving present when I retire next year I shall drop a hint or two about the G5 DP ... (We live in hope).
I have a Mac (vintage 1997) and use it for all my graphic work. It's a bit slow compared with more recent machines, but - until I find some more pennies - it'll do!
I use Windows at work and they do the work they're given.
An awful lot has been posted in various Mac forums on this topic and many a war of words has broken out; you pays your money, you take your choice. I find the Mac easier to use and much much easier to fix.
I think, though, that the specifications of the new G5 will make a few people look again at the Mac world, especially those using graphic applications. If the boss offers me a leaving present when I retire next year I shall drop a hint or two about the G5 DP ... (We live in hope).