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With the old PS version I only had to hover and alt click on any PS document on the desktop without having to make it the active document first. I have now discovered that with the new version you have to click on the doc you want to clone from first,  thus making it active, and THEN alt click on the area you want to copy before going back to the main working document to paste... wow this is confusing to explain....   

so its kind of embarrassing but it seems that was ALL I had to do - select the secondary document first and THEN alt click..  probably for you guys that just went without saying but for me its completely new,  I must say I thought I had tried that already, its so basic.  anyway it seems to work now... sorry, I feel so stupid and wasting everyones time...  Thanks anyway